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The Podcast “Marketing Burst” Experiment

by Matt Giovanisci | Last Updated: September 4, 2018 | Subscribe to get emails

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I'm currently running this experiment. This experiment should be complete by the end of October 2018.

In case you don’t know what I do or what this site is about, you should read my about page. And you can read a few choice pieces of content to get the gist. Like this one, this one, and maybe this one. However, if you already know, then you already know why I wrote this. Carry on.

I started a podcast around the Money Lab brand back in April 2018. The show is about building and running an online business. I invite guests to talk about advanced, high-level, inside baseball business topics.

It started with just me and some guests. But now I have a permanent co-host.

My friend Andrew Fiebert joined the show in July. We ran a personal finance website together and started the Listen Money Matters podcast in 2013.

After a year of doing a daily podcast with extreme growth, I burned out. And Andrew and I broke up. Like really bad. Screaming at each other! That sort of thing.

We talked about all that drama on the show.

He continued to host the podcast with Thomas Frank as my replacement for the last three years.

Then, just a few months ago, I rejoined Listen Money Matters as the co-host. And Andrew joined the Money Lab podcast. And that’s where we are at the beginning of this project.

The purpose of this experiment is to push the Money Lab podcast through extreme growth using what we learned from running another successful show. And our goal is simply more fucking subscribers!

Sorry for the gratuitous language already.

Podcast Marketing Burst

The Hypothesis

This experiment is to prove you can quickly grow a podcast using techniques that worked before. Basically, we want to see if we can do it again and if our strategy is repeatable.

The Listen Money Matters Podcast consistently ranks in the top 100 business podcasts on iTunes, even though it’s a show about personal finance. But we got there by doing a daily podcast first.

Our Strategy that Worked Before

When we first started the show in late 2013, we were producing one episode a week. And for the first eight months, we barely grew. By May of 2014, we had a whopping 200 downloads an episode.

Then I pitched an idea to publish an episode every day for a month to see if that would boost the subscriber count. Andrew agreed and we called it “Money May.”

In May 2014, we published a new episode of Listen Money Matters every day and the podcast grew significantly. How significant? Honestly, I don’t remember. Maybe I can get Andrew to do some research and I’ll publish the cold, hard facts here later.

What I can say for sure is it was significant enough for us to continue to produce a daily show for the rest of the year. And our growth continued.

I remember our downloads reaching 5,000 per episode in August of 2014. That’s was the magic number where advertisers would take your show seriously.

Of course, it wasn’t just about producing a bunch of shows. There were other factors that are much harder to attribute to the show’s success: having popular guests, word of mouth, and being written about on other websites.

Knowing what worked, we put together a strategy to ramp up Money Lab:

  1. Produce a new episode every day in October 2018. The theory (according to Rob Walch of Libsyn) is that downloads in the last 24 hours are an important ranking factor in iTunes. So the more podcasts produced in the shortest amount of time might send Money Lab up the rankings and allow more people to see it. At the very least, it gives the show a nice base of content for new subscribers.
  2. Get booked on several other successful podcasts. Based on my own podcasting listening behaviors, the only way I find out about new podcasts is if a podcast is mentioned or recommended on another podcast I’m listening to. I trust the host and I’m already in the podcast app. I can quickly find the show and subscribe. This seems like the most frictionless way to get new subscribers in my opinion.
  3. Booking big guests. The idea here is trying to appear in more search results for popular keywords inside iTunes and other podcast apps. My assumption is, people use the iTunes search to look for podcasts or people they already know about. For example, they’re searching the name Tim Ferriss to find Tim Ferriss’ podcast. So if that’s true, by having Tim on my show, when you search for his name my show is likely to appear also. Now, getting Tim might be difficult, but I have some other high-profile contacts I might be able to book.
  4. Leveraging Listen Money Matters. This might not seem fair, but we’re going to promote Money Lab on our already popular show. The biggest drawback here is audience overlap. LMM is about personal finance and ML is about business. Might not be a lot of people who would make the jump, but it’s worth a shot.
  5. Leverage the existing audience. Money Lab has listeners and we will come up with a plan to activate them into promoting the show during this marketing burst.

BTW, I came up with the term “marketing burst.” I’m proud of it and hope it catches on. Others might call it a “marketing blitz,” but those people are assholes.

What We’re Starting With

First off, we’re starting with an existing podcast. However, as I write this, the podcast has been delisted from iTunes because “the author field or title field contains extraneous information” according to Apple’s support team.

I fixed the issue, but I’m still waiting for Apple to review, and hopefully, approve my podcast again. Fingers triple dog crossed.

Here are the current stats of the podcast thanks to the killer analytics in Transistor.FM Full Disclosure: I make money if you click this link and make a purchase. (the podcast hosting company I use and highly recommend and not because they have an affiliate program – I learned about that much later).

Money Lab Podcast Analytics from Transistor.FM

What I love is the Estimated Subscribers metric. That’s what I’ll be monitoring during this experiment.

Also, I’ve already been booked on two big podcasts. I’ll be on The Fizzle Show to talk SEO and the BiggerPockets Money show to talk about experiments like this one.

Both of those shows were booked before we decided to do this big push. However, I don’t know when either of those episodes will be published.

The Sponsor

Thanks to the hard work from the Listen Money Matters team, we were able to secure an exclusive paid sponsor for every episode in October. This makes me giddy to announce that our sponsor is Ahrefs Full Disclosure: I make money if you click this link and make a purchase. – my favorite SEO tool EVER!

Money Lab

Since the start of the Money Lab podcast, the only sponsor has been my own SEO video course (where I mention the shit out of Ahrefs). So I’m thrilled to finally have a real sponsor of the show.

The List of Episode Topics

I’m writing this at the beginning of September. We’re still a month away from the daily publishing month. But we have to start recording those episodes NOW!

The first step we did was come up with a list of episode topics. We just quickly riffed off a bunch over Skype and stored them in a Google doc.

Then we categorized each topic into 4 categories (and of course I color-coded them):

  1. Tactic – a show where we describe how to do something business related in detail. Existing example: The 5 Most Important SEO Tactics.
  2. Concept – we discuss a business concept and/or argue whether or not it should be practiced. Existing example: Long-Form Content for Long-Term Growth.
  3. Emotional – getting to the heart of the “why.” The struggles, the pain, the joy, and the rollercoaster ride that is running your own business. Existing example: Managing Mental Health While Working For Yourself.
  4. Gear – products, software, and other shit we like. Pretty self-explanatory. Existing example: Podcasting Gear for Serious Podcasters.

We also might sprinkle some listener Q&A episodes in there too.

I took all the topics and added them to my Asana project for the Podcast. Here’s a look:

The Podcast Project in Asana

Our List of Upcoming Episodes

  1. Building an Online Product in 7 Days
  2. The Art of Passion Mashin’
  3. The Best Tools for Productivity
  4. How to Be a Boss That Doesn’t Suck
  5. Conferences: Attend, Skip, or Sneak In?
  6. Working in Isolation
  7. WordPress Plugins We Cannot Do Business Without
  8. Avoid Display Ads at All Costs
  9. How To Pay The Least Amount of Business Taxes Possible
  10. How to Make $5,000 Fast
  11. The Art of Buying and Selling Websites with Spencer Haws from Niche Pursuits
  12. Maybe You Shouldn’t be a Solopreneur with Justin Jackson from MegaMaker
  13. What It’s Really Like to Sell a WordPress Plugin with Dustin Stout of Social Warfare
  14. Concept to Physical Product with Caleb Wojcik
  15. Paying for Social Media Advertising

The Entire Podcast Production Process

We started recording on September 4th, 2018. But I’m not going to lie, it’s been kinda hard.

The Struggles of Recording Daily Episodes

Andrew and I have a tendency to bullshit for hours about business and not actually hit the record button. That’s what we get for being friends who have the same business type and like to help each other out.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s fun to bullshit. But it’s not productive.

I’m writing this as of September 12th and we only have four episodes recorded for October. However, we’ve been recording twice a week on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Our goal is to try and record four episodes each day. If we do that, we’ll have episodes recorded up until October 26th before we even get into the month.

I doubt that will happen, but we’re going to try really hard.

Scheduling Recording Sessions

We have a huge list of topics. I’ve been scheduling them on our shared Google calendar on Tuesdays and Thursdays. The solid green events are when the episode is published, and the events with times are recording days.

Money Lab Podcast Recording Calendar

I don’t want to schedule our recording days too far in advance. I need to leave room for booking guests. We are using Calendly to do that.

Preparing The Episode

This is my job. I keep all our episodes in Google Drive folders. I have to do a little bit of prep work. Here’s what our folder structure looks like:

Money Lab Podcast Google Drive Folder Structure

In each folder, we have a few files:

  • The Show Notes (Google Doc named 022)
  • Our recorded files (.mov files from eCamm Call recorder)
  • The Logic Pro folder/file for editing (Folder 022)
  • The finished episode MP3 with ID3 tags

Money Lab Episode Files

Before we record an episode, I create a new folder based on the episode number. We start with three digits because of how folders are ordered. For example, if we originally named the folders simply “1, 2, 3, 4,” then episode 1 and 11 would end up next to each other.

That’s why I put a 0 in front of the episodes. In case you were curious. I didn’t think you were, but I told you anyway.

Once the folder is created I make a copy of the previous episode’s show notes and edit it to reflect the new content. I update the title/topic, my middle name, the episode thesis, and who to thank for my middle name.

I separate each section of the episode template into different pages and I make the font pretty large so I can read it. Here are all the show note pages for a single episode:

Money Lab Show Notes

Recording An Episode

Andrew and I use Skype. We hop on, discuss the show notes a bit, and then hit record. We use eCamm Call Recorder for Skype. We set it to record the audio only, but we use video to read each other’s body language. This is a must for all podcasting episodes for me. It stops me from talking over people.

We both have eCamm and record both sides. He hits record, then I hit record. That gives us clean, native tracks for me to work with in editing.

We could use Quicktime, but using eCamm gives me a failsafe. If one of us fucks up the recording, at least I’ll still have both sides of the convo – just one side will sound a little shittier. It’s better than re-recording an entire episode.

Once we’re finished recording, we upload our files to the Google Drive folder for that episode. That makes it easy for me to find the recordings when it’s time to edit.

Editing An Episode

I like to edit in batches. My last editing sesh was eight episodes at once. It took me one hour.

The reason it doesn’t take me that long is how we record. We do EVERYTHING live. All I have to do in editing is add the intro and outro music. I also trim the beginning and ends.

I don’t listen to the entire episode. I know if it’s good after we record. If it sucks, I’ll make a note so I can fix it in editing. Not to brag or anything, but that doesn’t happen much 😉

I use Logic Pro X to edit. I’ve been using this program for over 15 years. Mostly for music production and now for podcast editing. Here’s what a finished episode looks like:

Money Lab Podcast Recording Editing Logic Pro

As you can see, there’s not a lot to it. I have a template I copy and paste each time. I can edit a podcast in under 5 minutes. The longest part is exporting.

I export episodes as MP3s at 128kbps in mono (or joint stereo). That ends up being a megabyte per minute. I could probably reduce it down to 96kbps, but I want it to sound pretty decent and I think that rate sounds like shit.

Once the episode is edited and exported, I import it to iTunes and create the ID3 tags. Then, I export that as the finished MP3 and store it in the proper Google Drive folder.

Uploading and Publishing

This part can be pretty time-consuming. I have to upload the MP3 file to my podcast host. I use Transistor.FM Full Disclosure: I make money if you click this link and make a purchase. which is owned by Justin Jackson (he’s on episode 006) and I love it. Just really simple.

I create a new episode, start uploading the file, and add all the show details.

Transistor FM Episode Upload

The episode is scheduled and will automatically publish on that date. That’s the entire process of producing a single podcast episode for Money Lab.

Leveraging Listen Money Matters

Our original podcast on personal finance has a lot of subscribers and downloads. So to give Money Lab a bump, we included a teaser episode in the LMM feed. We didn’t want to do this during October, so we did it in the middle of September. Here’s what it looked like in the feed:

Listen Money Matters Bonus Episode for Money Lab

On September 13th, the Money Lab podcast saw 599 downloads because of that bonus episode. We don’t have the official count yet, but I’m assuming that will double our subscriber count.

As of September 17th, we have roughly 515 subscribers to the Money Lab podcast. I see that number increasing to 1,000 before October hits.

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